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WAT-CAST – Karetta Hubbard and Lynne Revo-Cohen Talk About Sexual Harassment

02/26/2018

The headlines keep coming, forcing another high level executive to resign after women come forward alleging sexual misconduct in the workplace.  Karetta Hubbard and Lynne-Revo Cohen, launched NewPoint Strategies more than 30 years ago and built a reputation for helping corporations deal with serious issues, including sexual harassment and sexual assault. Along with Chris Kilmartin and Gwen Crider, they have been sharing their expertise with our readers in a series called “Toxic Culture.” In this podcast, Karetta and Lynne talk with Woman Around Town’s Editor Charlene Giannetti about a topic that continues to dominate the news. Click to listen.

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Episode 8: Karetta Hubbard and Lynne Revo-Cohen Talk About Their Series, Toxic Culture

02/26/2018

Have we reached a tipping point with sexual harassment? Karetta Hubbard and Lynne Revo-Cohen come to this discussion from a unique point of view. For more than 30 years, they have been advising companies on important workplace issues, including sexual harassment and sexual assault. They have been writing about the topic for Woman Around Town in a series titled “Toxic Culture.” In this podcast, they talk with Woman Around Town’s Editor Charlene Giannetti about how the workplace has evolved since they began their work, how the #metoo movement is forcing change, and what needs to happen next. 

Alafair Burke Asks How Loyal Should The Wife Be?

02/10/2018

Alafair Burke’s new novel, The Wife, has so many twists and turns it’s like trying to keep track of a runaway train. The story starts out innocently enough – girl (Angela) meets boy (Jason) during a dinner party in the Hamptons. Angela’s company is catering the event; Jason is a guest. A single mother with a son, Angela is not looking for a relationship, let alone a husband. But soon enough, they are married and living in Manhattan.

Jason seems like an incredible catch, a well known economics professor at NYU who, thanks to a bestselling book, becomes a media star. Angela, on the other hand, has a troubled past. The last thing she wants is to be thrust into the spotlight. But Jason’s meteoric rise provides her and her son with a lifestyle she never thought possible, so she manages to adjust, content to play the wife behind (way behind) the successful man. The tragic events that shaped her past are slowly revealed, adding to the anticipation and suspense.

All that comes apart when Jason is accused of inappropriate behavior by a college intern. One allegation might have been dismissed, but when another woman comes forward, Angela must face the possibility that she never really knew the man she married. He proclaims his innocence and there is enough about his denials to keep her in his corner. Others, however, are not so forgiving. He loses his media job and then his professorship. With his legal bills mounting, he and Angela may lose everything they have.

Burke has a talent for constructing plots that are believable and keep the reader guessing until the end. She also manages to weave into her stories topics that are dominating headlines and social media. With one of her previous novels, All Day and a Night, the role DNA evidence plays in convictions was a theme. In The Wife, it’s sexual harassment, making this novel a timely addition to our reading list.

The Wife
Alafair Burke

Alafair Burke’s photo by Deborah Copaken Kogan

Toxic Culture: Green Light, Yellow Light, Red Light

01/31/2018

By Karetta Hubbard, Lynne Revo-Cohen, Gwen Crider, and Dr. Chris Kilmartin

Many readers responded to the GREEN Light, YELLOW Light, RED Light guidelines (see the story) to identify the differences between appropriate and inappropriate behavior. All asked for more examples. 

We are familiar with the colors that everyone identifies with; Green Light – Go; Yellow Light – Caution; Red Light – Stop.  

The following scenarios describe potential harassment situations that might occur in the workplace. Using the traffic light analogy, consider these scenarios and the questions that follow asking for your thoughts in response. Tell us how you scored these vignettes, and we will publish them. The correct answers are posted below. 

Before you read each scenario, please consider:

  • Is there inappropriate behavior?  

If so, is the behavior(s) RED, YELLOW or GREEN Light? 

  • Most importantly, consider what would you do in this situation?

Case Scenario 1

While at work, Nina frequently makes personal phone calls to her friends. Her conversations are loud and generously sprinkled with foul and obscene language. Her co-workers in nearby cubicles cannot help but overhear her conversations.

What is the inappropriate behavior, if any? Is it green, yellow or red light?

Yellow Light  Foul obscene language is Inappropriate; however, the behavior can move into red light if the language becomes sexual in nature.

Case Scenario 2

Mihai persists in asking his co-worker Maria out to dinner, even though she turns him down each and every time he requests a date. She has told him several times to stop asking.

What is the appropriate/inappropriate behavior, if any? Is it green, yellow or red light?

Red Light because she said no, and he didn’t stop asking her to dinner.

Case Scenario 3

Alexander frequently tells sexual jokes during team meetings. Lilia is offended. She doesn’t think Alexander’s jokes are so funny.

What is the appropriate/inappropriate behavior, if any? Is it green, yellow or red light?

Yellow Light  It is inappropriate to tell sex jokes during team meetings; if infrequent may not rise to level of hostile environment unless really offensives such as “rape” jokes.

Case Scenario 4

Suzanna and Haik are co-workers who enjoy a great working relationship and just recently have started dating. They can’t seem to get enough of each other. They take breaks and lunch together and are often seen flirting in the break room. They are clearly infatuated with each other.

Is the appropriate/inappropriate behavior green, yellow or red light?

Yellow Light The bystanders are harassed as well. It is always inappropriate to be flirting at work. Plus, it is unprofessional at the least, and distracting at most.

Case Scenario 5

Timur and Olga, travel together on a week-long business trip. In the taxi ride from the airport to the hotel, Timur snuggles up to Olga and tries to hold her hand. Olga strongly objects, and Timur backs off.

What is the appropriate/inappropriate behavior, if any? Is it green, yellow or red light?

Red Light, as Timur has created a serious hostile work environment: unwanted touching.

Case Scenario 6

Anton is Director and has hired Rosa, just out of graduate school, as his assistant. After a few months on the job, Anton caresses her back and suggests to Rosa that if she shows him some “real appreciation” he might be inclined to promote her. Rosa refuses and is fired two months later for no good reason.

What is the appropriate/inappropriate behavior, if any? Is it green, yellow or red light?

Red Light, as Anton makes an implicit Quid Pro Quo offer. The offer does not have to be explicit, just implied.

Case Scenario 7

Andrei: Well let’s see, next order of business for the meeting here today is the new hire, Rita. She is hot. I just hired her a couple days ago. Have you guys checked this out yet?

Mark: Yeah, good job Andrei.She has the longest legs I’ve ever seen.

Elena: In reviewing Rita’s application, and as an assistant, I see that I hired her for her computer skills, and her typing speed, and not her appearance or body measurements.

Andrei: Elena we realize that. All we’re saying is she’s a qualified individual but she just happens to look very nice and we’re commenting on that.

Mark: I don’t see any harm in that and I, for one, look forward to seeing her on a daily basis.

Elena: Why are you guys talking about her as if she is a piece of furniture or a decoration? What on earth do her looks have to do with how she does her work for this company?

Andrei and Mark: Well, we’re just a bunch of guys, I mean it’s normal guy stuff. Men talk about these things, as do women sometimes.

What is the appropriate/inappropriate behavior, if any? Is it green, yellow or red light?

Strongly yellow, because Mark and Andrei are creating a hostile environment against Elena. Note: Andre and Mark are depersonalizing Rita, i.e, would you make the same compliment for a man? These comments are unprofessional and inappropriate in the workplace, and create a hostile work environment for Elena.

Key Points to Remember

  • Any conduct or behavior that has a sexual innuendo or suggestion is considered YELLOW Light; and if unwelcome, can easily lead to RED Light If the behavior becomes pervasive and persistent.
  • YELLOW Light is not strictly prohibited; but, it reflects poor judgment! It is often inappropriate behavior in the work place.
  • When someone is engaging in YELLOW Light behavior, and you find it offensive, embarrassing or uncomfortable, you can help everyone by asking the person to refrain from such behavior, if you feel safe in doing so.
  • When someone asks that you refrain from YELLOW Light behavior in their presence, it is important that you respond to that request respectfully and promptly, and that you honor that request.
  • RED Light behavior is quite serious. And, should come to the attention of management. If you don’t feel safe reporting the behavior, you can ask a colleague who can be an Ally, to report RED Light behavior to someone in management, and management will address the behavior.
  • When a supervisor becomes aware of a YELLOW Light situation, the supervisor will inquire into the circumstances to determine whether any further action is appropriate. The supervisor should also consult with senior management about the incident. Document the incident, and your actions to try and remedy the situation.
  • When a supervisor observes or hears about RED Light behavior, the supervisor must take immediate action to stop the behavior, and immediately notify senior management about the incident. After the matter has been investigated, serious disciplinary action will normally be appropriate. Management must also take all reasonable steps to remedy the situation and prevent its reoccurrence.
  • We don’t want YELLOW Light to occur; If enough YELLOW add up, they could add up to RED
  • Aspirational goals: Not just compliance; we want a workplace that is fully respectful.

Since 1984 the founders of NewPoint Strategies, Karetta Hubbard and Lynne Revo-Cohen, have built a strong reputation for delivering extremely effective prevention training in high-risk issues such as sexual harassment/assault.  Contributing Author and Lead Consultant, Chris Kilmartin, Ph.D, Emeritus Professor of Psychology from the University of Mary Washington, is an expert in Sexual Harassment and Assault Prevention, specifically Male Violence Against Women. Gwen Crider is a Diversity Expert. For more information, go to the website for NewPoint Strategies.

Toxic Culture: The #MeToo Movement

01/17/2018

By Karetta Hubbard, Lynne Revo-Cohen, Gwen Crider, and Dr. Chris Kilmartin

The #metoo movement exploded on social media shortly after Harvey Weinstein’s fall from his powerful position as the “movie maker” mogul creating Oscar-winning actors and movies. But long before this watershed event, women were harassed and assaulted, and it was perilous for many of them to challenge the prevailing thought that the victim was not telling the truth. 

What follows is an unfortunate, but all too typical, scenario.

Three women sit next to each other in the prescription alcove at the grocery store,  not knowing each other, but waiting to hear the number announcing their medicine is ready to be picked up. The oldest of the three, late forties, is neatly dressed in a grey wool sweater and matching slacks. Flipping through the newspaper, she pauses on a photo of a famous female celebrity standing in front of a #metoo sign.

“I just don’t get this #metoo movement,” she exclaims out loud. “I’ve been married for 15 years, my husband and I have a good relationship. Okay, sometimes men have whistled at me, but no one has ever crossed the line. Do you really think most women have experienced harassment?” she asks of no one in particular. 

“Well, I’m an emergency room nurse,” the second woman says. She has black hair pulled back in a ponytail, and is wearing a sweatshirt, blue jeans, and running sneakers. She yawns. “I had the night shift last night. I patched up five women two because of their possessive boyfriends, one because of a jealous husband, and two others whose stories I didn’t learn. The women were ashamed to tell even the police the names of the men who assaulted them. What depresses me is that even since the news broke about Harvey Weinstein, the women keep coming through the door with swollen lips, cuts, bruises, and more.” 

“Do you know how #metoo came about?” inquires the first woman. “I have two daughters and a son. Even though it hasn’t happened to me, if this is as widespread as you suggest, I would like to educate my kids about this kind of behavior.”

The third women, wearing sunglasses, a black pullover, black slacks, and, until now silent, sarcastically asks, “Seriously, you think? Have you checked their social media lately?”

“No kidding,” explains the nurse. “Trust me, your kids are seeing and hearing things that’ll make your mind spin! Actually, the #metoo thing goes back a good while to a civil rights activist who was working to help victims get over the pain of sexual trauma. She was really ahead of her time. I think her name was Tarana Burke.  Then that actress, Alyssa Milano, who accused Harvey Weinstein, encouraged women to tweet the #metoo phrase to show how huge the problem is. It took off like wildfire. Over 32 million people worldwide have posted online, and lots of them added their own story of being harassed or assaulted. #Metoo has been a game changer for sure and women now have their voice. The other really good news is the support that is growing among `good men’ who want to help drive the change, which Is awesome!”

“Opps, the pharmacist just called my number, so gotta’ go,” says the first woman. “But thanks for talking with me about this. I will be sure to teach my children about appropriate and inappropriate behavior, what to say and do. Have a nice afternoon.”

The third women stared straight ahead as the older woman left, then turns to face the nurse, slowly removing her sunglasses. Her left eye is swollen shut, and the skin around it is black and blue. “Please help me,” she asks through tears.

From Author Dr. Chris Kilmartin:  I think this issue is framed really well. I’m starting to see the expected backlash now, some of it coming from women basically saying, “boys will be boys; women just need to get over it.” It’s always easier to tell women what to do, than it is to expect men to be decent human beings. And the people missing from the conversation are the good men, those in the vast majority, who are not confronting other men on their behavior. It’s MLK Day and I just saw a quote from him saying that he was more disappointed in the White moderate than in the KKK.  I think there’s a parallel there in that we have a lot of passive men who are afraid of confronting their friends and colleagues on their sexism and/or don’t know what to do. This is an eminently solvable problem.

The preceding is based on Kilmartin, C. T. (2017).  Male allies to women.  In J. Schwarz (Ed.), Counseling women across the lifespan: Empowerment, advocacy, and intervention. New York: Springer.

Comments?

We welcome your thoughts and comments. Each contributes to the conversation which is the key to understanding and culture change. Please send them to WATExplorer@gmail.com and we will publish them. Thanks!

In our past article – How Shall the Punishment Fit the Crime? – we learned about the Red, Yellow, and Green Light way of evaluating sexist behavior. Then, we “listened in” as three men were presented with various scenarios and had to decide what color light should be assigned to each situation. One episode involved replacing the face of a bikini-clad Miss Universe with that of a female employee. Other examples dealt with compliments – what’s appropriate, what goes too far. Here are some reader comments:

1) Head on an image – what if someone put a guy’s head on Miss Universe? Is that demeaning? These days with software being what it is, people superimpose faces on all sorts of images. I think the key for me would be consent. If a person (woman or man) agreed to the gag or was routinely part of the joking around, then this should be a yellow not a red. Use caution, common sense, and assess context. 

The compliment is really tough. I routinely, for example, compliment women and men. Am I guilty of abuse? I think that people enjoy being told something positive about themselves and I have the philosophy that you can always find something nice to say to someone and brighten their day. Often it is related to them personally. People appreciate simple comments. It’s not intended to be abusive or sexist or discriminatory. I think there is a difference between acknowledging politely (and professionally) a new hairdo or tie or shirt – and something like “you look hot today,” which can be considered inappropriate. I worry that any personal interaction is coming under negative scrutiny. It’s the human element that makes the world – otherwise we will all just become machines. Saying something politely and nicely shouldn’t be negative. 

Thanks for this continuous stream of thoughtful dialogue in your articles!

2) The traffic light analogy is a provocative way to frame behavior. Thinking about your examples, and depending on your point of view, it might be that yellow light should not only be caution but thought of as seriously approaching red. But serious caution is called for. I like this analogy because it is simple, and can be used in a lot of different  situations.

Toxic Culture: How Shall the Punishment Fit the Crime?

01/10/2018

By Karetta Hubbard, Lynne Revo-Cohen, Gwen Crider, and Dr. Chris Kilmartin

In a previous article, we discussed that sexism is a form of prejudice, just as racism is.  In the last article, we discussed Prevention of Sexual Harassment at work: What’s OK, What’s Not OK? We listed workplace behavior that is acceptable, and behavior that crosses the line. However, the line is confusing, and several readers wrote to say the guidelines are unclear and therefore unfair to those who would like to do the right thing. Their comments follow.

 “OK! I get there are rules that can guide workplace behavior. But, it is mystifying to me about the gradation of severity of inappropriate actions and their consequences. So, how is it calculated among President Bush Sr.’s pat on the fanny, Senator Franken forcing non-wanted kisses on colleagues, and Weinstein exposing himself to non-consenting women? These actions simply don’t equate to me in terms of intensity, and therefore in equal punishment. Solutions?”

“I admit I am a fan of Senator Franken, and I still think he got a raw deal having to resign as compared to the really egregious behavior by many of the other men. Isn’t there a penance that people can do? Everyone should have the opportunity to learn and change.”

In response to these comments, it is often challenging to decide where the line is drawn on different types of behavior.

Red Light, Yellow Light, Green Light

To address this issue, the U.S. Navy in 1993 defined sexual harassment using colors to group acceptable and non-acceptable conduct by using an analogy to a “Traffic Light.” The Navy uses a different framework now, but this analogy works for the lay person.  

“Red Light” behavior simply must not occur in the workplace at all; should never happen in the workplace. Such behavior that is always unacceptable includes sexually explicit visual displays, unwanted touching of a clearly sexual nature, or a supervisor basing job-related actions on an employee’s agreement to provide sexual favors.  

“Yellow Light” means cautionThis behavior is questionable in the workplace and should be monitored very carefully. This is behavior that involves race, color, religion, sex, national origin, age, disability, genetic information or medical information, or sexual orientation. Examples include gender-related jokes, sexist comments or remarks, physical behavior, or visual displays that involve sexual innuendo.  

“Green Light” behavior is appropriate and/or acceptable in the workplace and is often necessary to the job. This behavior may build trust and teamwork in the workplace rather than undermining trust and teamwork.

Remember Dave, Miquel, and Fred In Men as Allies, and how they learned to discuss respect and inclusion issues, and then confront each other when differences occurred? Assume these men are now participating in a Sexual Harassment Prevention training session, and are assigned to the same group. A classroom is set up in a large conference room and the facilitator faces the class. Displayed on a screen facing the group are explanations of Red, Yellow, or Green Light Behavior. The session is in progress, and the facilitator recites the following example.

“In your group, decide among yourselves whether the following situations are Red, Yellow,  or Green light conduct.”

1. An employee uses the company email to send some jokes to other employees and to friends outside the office. The jokes are about sex.

Dave, “Oh man, this is too obvious.Of course, you can’t use the email to tell a joke.The Company pays for the Internet so it should be only for company business.”

“Wait a minute,” interjects Fred.“So, we could tell a sex joke person to person”?

“Well”, says Miquel, “any inappropriate joke, whether in person or through email, should be off limits. Time for a decision: Red, Yellow, or Green Light”

“Ok,” says Fred, “not a piece of cake. But, Red Light?”

“Red Light,” the other two agree.

What would you say? A. Green Light? B. Yellow Light? C. Red Light?

2. Bill puts up a picture on the bulletin board of Miss Universe in her bikini bathing suit with the head of Jane, an Employee in the office, very carefully and artfully superimposed on the body of Miss Universe. 

Miquel begins, “This is inappropriate, I think. Was Jane asked if she minds her head being superimposed on a Miss Universe body”?  

“Actually, my take is that since the bathing suit photo doesn’t have anything to do with our job, I agree this is inappropriate,” says Fred.

“Well, she looks really good in that photo,” says Dave. “I wonder what Jane thinks?  Isn’t this the point?  The person has to agree and it is ok”?

“Shall we vote?” asks Miquel. “Two yellow, one green,” says Fred. 

What would you say? A. Green Light? B. Yellow Light? C. Red Light?

3.  A male supervisor compliments a female member of his staff on her new hair style by saying, “Mary, I like what you’ve done with your hair style. It looks very nice!”  

“Softball…,” exclaims Dave. “We learned last week compliments are OK! Don’t need to vote. Green Light. Everybody agree?”  

“He,y be careful. Would you ever say that to a guy, and if not, isn’t that a sexual innuendo?” suggests Miquel.

“Oh, OK, when you put it this way I can see this is Yellow light. Everybody agree?” asks Dave.  Followed by high fives.

What would you say? A. Green Light? B. Yellow Light? C. Red Light?

4.  At an office party, a female supervisor suggests to a male subordinate that they leave and get a bottle of Champagne and go to a nearby hotel.

“Here we go again!” says Dave. “The blasted consent issue once more.”

“Sounds like this is Green Light to me,” Miguel insists. 

“All right, two consenting adults, even if one is a supervisor, going to a hotel with a bottle of Champagne, should be fine?” questions Fred.

“I think so, but guys, she’s his boss and even if he goes along with it, he might just be caving into the pressure,” adds Dave.  

Miquel raises his eyebrow. “Dave, you are usually odd man out on these scenarios. But you gotta’ agree with us on this one; look he’s a guy and a single guy at that, so why not, what’s wrong with you, man?”

“Ok Ok, I cave…. Green Light,” shouts Dave. Fred and Miquel knuckle bump.

What would you say? A. Green Light? B. Yellow Light? C. Red Light?

The facilitator wraps up. To emphasize, “Red Light” behavior will result in serious disciplinary action, up to and including separation from employment. If your behavior is “Yellow Light,” very often, like the traffic light situation, you can quickly cross into “Red Light” behavior. Thus, frequent or persistent jokes or comments that are “Yellow Light” can become “Red Light.” When you are engaged in “Yellow Light” behavior and someone asks that you refrain from such behavior in their presence, it is extremely important that you respond to that request positively. Green Light – Behavior that is appropriate in the workplace.

Answers: How many did you get correct?

1. Q.  Sending sex jokes through the Internet. The group decides Red Light.

A. C. Sharing sex jokes in the workplace, whether by email or verbally is Red Light as it is considered offensive and is inappropriate conduct. Although, if everyone wants to hear them and nobody can overhear them, it’s not sexual harassment which has to be unwelcome. It is, however, quite unprofessional and has no place at work for that reason.

2. Q. Employee face superimposed on Miss Universe. The group was divided, “Two yellow, one green.”

A. C.  Red Light, as this behavior is considered offensive and/or intimidating; even if Jane does not object; also note Dave’s comment was itself inappropriate.

3. Q. Male supervisor complimenting female subordinate on new hair style. The group agreed it was Green Light. 

A. B. Yellow light. Yes, the “hair style” comment might be fine, but context is important – was it accompanied by body language or behavior that suggest it wasn’t simply an innocent compliment?  If it’s debatable, it could be Green Light, or Yellow Light.

4. Q. Female supervisor suggests to male subordinate to get champagne and go to a hotel. The group decided Red Light.

A. C. This is Quid Pro Quo, definitely Red Light.

Comments?

We welcome your thoughts and comments.  Each one contributes to the conversation which is the key to understanding and culture change.  Please email WATExplorer@gmail.com and we may publish your comment. Thanks!

The following is based on Kilmartin, C. T. (2017).  Male allies to women.  In J. Schwarz (Ed.), Counseling women across the lifespan: Empowerment, advocacy, and intervention.  New York: Springer. 

Toxic Culture: Sexual Harassment – What’s OK, What’s Not?

01/03/2018

By Karetta Hubbard, Lynne Revo-Cohen, Gwen Crider, and Dr. Chris Martin.

Sexism is a form of prejudice, just as Racism is. In the conversation we presented in our previous story, men learned to confront each other, and as an important byproduct, to support each other. We received the following comment from a reader. 

“Interesting article, as they all have been. It seems to me that if the husband and wife (or any male-female pair) have a relationship grounded first by true friendship, then a lot of the male exploitation issues go away. I know that’s a great over-simplification, but I believe it does work for at least some people, myself included.

The questions remain about how to prevent sexual harassment at work. The following helps to understand in simple interactions What’s OK, What’s Not?  Note: even though women are most often targeted regarding the following behavior, we note men are, too. Use of the word “woman” could be easily replaced with “man.”

What’s Not OK (The following examples may be obvious to many, but still a handy guide for curbing the wrong instincts.)

  • Office meeting: telling a woman on the team that she should “take one for the team” to “be extra nice” to a prospective client or supervisor/manager.
  • Telling a sexist joke in front of colleagues.
  • Making demeaning sexist comment about a woman’s body (body shaming), who they are considering putting on a key assignment.
  • Inappropriate touching, the difference between a nonsexual pat on the arm and sexual rubbing, massage, grabbing, fondling, kissing, cornering, etc.
  • What’s ok and not ok on a business trip with a colleague or subordinate; where to meet up, drinking, etc. Drinking alcohol can be a slippery slope that might allow your Inner Devil to surface.
  • Comments about male/female suggesting, you know “why she/he got the assignment?”
  • Using social media to degrade female colleague using a photo of her.
  • Spreading rumors to friends about sexual liaisons at work.
  • Calling a strong woman names such as “bitch,” “feminazi,” for being tough and demanding at a meeting.
  • Comments on “getting lucky”: speaking about your personal issues in your marriage or love life
  • Leering in a sexual way, stalking either in person or online, lewd or suggestive comments, licking lips, touching or exposing oneself in view of another person
  • Displays of sexually suggestive or pornographic images at work or after work online
  • Comments on mood such as time of month, other personal issues
  • Victim Blaming: making negative comments about someone who has complained about harassment, such as the way they dress, look or act as if they invited harassing behavior.

What’s OK – First rule: The line isn’t always clear: just remember, you need to be sure your behavior is “welcome” and not “offensive” to the others. The following simple examples are a general guide, not meant to be all-inclusive.  Remember, you can always ASK the person first. And if the person says they would be displeased, then just don’t say or do the behavior.

  • complimenting a good job, thought, contribution to work product
  • shaking hands
  • pat on the back or arm in a nonsexual manner
  • telling a non-offensive joke
  • normal kidding around in a nonsexual manner
  • criticizing a colleague’s work or behavior that has no sexual innuendo
  • asking a colleague for lunch, dinner, or drinks with no  Quid pro Quo
  • spending free time with a colleague or subordinate on travel or outside of work with no expectation that they owe you sexual favors
  • asking a co-worker for a date (not a superior, or subordinate) and if he/she refuses, respect the answer
  • respect and understand the “reasonable person standard” 
  • if you say the wrong thing, or offend someone: apologize!

These are guidelines, and, as humans we all react to situations differently. Always, use your best judgment. 

Comments?

We welcome your thoughts and comments.  Each contributes to the conversation which is the key to understanding and culture change.  Please email WATExplorer@gmail.com and we may publish your comment. Thanks!

The preceding is based on Kilmartin, C. T. (2017).  Male allies to women.  In J. Schwarz (Ed.), Counseling women across the lifespan: Empowerment, advocacy, and intervention.  New York: Springer. 

Since 1984 the founders of NewPoint Strategies, Karetta Hubbard and Lynne Revo-Cohen, have built a strong reputation for delivering extremely effective prevention training in high-risk issues such as sexual harassment/assault.  Contributing Author and Lead Consultant, Chris Kilmartin, Ph.D, Emeritus Professor of Psychology from the University of Mary Washington, is an expert in Sexual Harassment and Assault Prevention, specifically Male Violence Against Women. Gwen Crider is a Diversity Expert. For more information, go to the website for NewPoint Strategies.

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Toxic Culture: Men Challenging Men

12/20/2017

By Karetta Hubbard, Lynne Revo-Cohen, Gwen Crider, and Dr. Chris Martin

Our previous article featured a conversation between the CEO, the HR director, and staff, with the CEO explaining that harassment incidents were not acceptable in his company. (Read the article.)

Comments from Readers on last week’s article:

“What struck me reading this article is that the bystander has tremendous power, whether calling out a bully or a sexual harasser. And there’s power in numbers. One bystander becomes two, then three, then a group, standing up for what’s right and shutting down those who use words and gestures to harm others”. 

“Men need to teach their sons to say something when they see something”.

Men as Allies: Challenging Other Men

A comfortable private room in an office building, a group of eight men seated in a circle come together to discuss thoughts about sexism. Just back from a break, some are holding bottled water, others sipping coffee, all nervously wait to be the first one to begin.  

“We just discussed that sexism is a form of prejudice.  Frankly, though, I don’t know why I am here,” says Dave, breaking the silence. “I have always thought of women as equal. Except my wife of course, Happy Wife, Happy Life! Got to keep the home fires burning.” 

“That’s the point, I think.  If we spend time focusing on the `other sex’ and what they want, then we are not treating women as equals,” thoughtfully inserts Tyrone.

“Well, when my wife is not happy, she can be a bitch,” says Dave.  “I believe it is a battle of the sexes and it is important to figure out how to win.”

“I’m going out on a limb here, but If you believe this Dave, then you are in the wrong. I think you’re making the case to pit men against women, and this position then sets women up to be the weaker sex,” says Tyrone. 

“Yes, which makes them targets, or potential victims,” adds Miquel. “The point must be to elevate them to equal status. We need to find balance between the sexes. Not conflict points.

“Wait a minute, guys. I am on your side,” says Dave. “Just trying to figure out the best way to keep the Mrs. happy. I need to come home to some lovin’ you know?”

“What kind of chauvinist are you?” Miquel asks. “Sounds to me like you objectify your wife. And, all you want is a piece of well, you know.” 

“Wait a minute!” Dave responds. “I love my wife. But, she has the upper hand because of sex. And that’s real power.”

Miquel continues, “Umm, really man? I’m trying to making sense of this battle, because it has to be the most curious battle in the history of humankind, in which 90 percent of the combatants are supposedly in love with, and having children with, the enemy.”  

“OK” says Tyrone. “If this is true, that women and men should be treated equally, and men and women don’t need this fight, to keep it going is outright, blatant sexism?” 

“If you take away my right to control what I do in my marriage, what do I have left?” asks Dave. “I get hammered at work all day just holding my own, and when I come home I just want dinner, peace and quiet, and you know, a little …” He glances at Fred, the facilitator, for approval.

“I have been listening to you for more than an hour, and you constantly put your wife down,” says Tyrone. “What is your problem bro?”

Fred chimes in. “Can anyone give us a snapshot of where we are in this discussion?”

Miguel adds, “Yes, looks like our common denominator language is about sex. I think Dave is unenlightened, has a lousy marriage, and thinks woman are for one thing, and one thing only.”

“My guess is that this discussion reflects how men are socialized to think of women as less, or even as property that men can use. Am I on the right track?” asks Tyrone. “If the battle of the sexes is a focus for men, then trying to be an ally won’t work.  Being an ally means as men we have to level the playing field. Accept what women can give as well as take, and value that as well as we value male actions.”

Fred says, “This is the goal fellows. I have a homework assignment for the group. When you go home tonight, notice if your thoughts are chauvinistic vs altruistic. In other words, it is important to think about gender, as well as other forms of identity that provide disadvantages for women. This is a small, but important first step to recognizing male privilege. Small steps lead to large culture change.”

Miquel adds, “To undercut the myths that males are unfeeling, simple creatures who only care about sports and sex?  Plus, I think many people feel quite comfortable reinforcing these sexist beliefs.”

And, to challenge each other so change can take place?” Dave says, adding, “as the jerk who has been confronted all morning.”  

“Time to lick your wounds,” asserts Miquel.  

Question: Does real change begin in the home? In how men and women treat each other in social situations? Is Dave’s attitude towards his wife reflective of the way he treats women co-workers? Unless he changes how he treats his wife, and perhaps other women in his family and social circle, will he ever regard women as equals in the workplace?

Please send us your observations and comments. Be part of this dialogue!

The preceding is based on Kilmartin, C. T. (2017).  Male allies to women.  In J. Schwarz (Ed.), Counseling women across the lifespan: Empowerment, advocacy, and intervention.  New York: Springer. 

Since 1984 the founders of NewPoint Strategies, Karetta Hubbard and Lynne Revo-Cohen, have built a strong reputation for delivering extremely effective prevention training in high-risk issues such as sexual harassment/assault.  Contributing Author and Lead Consultant, Chris Kilmartin, Ph.D, Emeritus Professor of Psychology from the University of Mary Washington, is an expert in Sexual Harassment and Assault Prevention, specifically Male Violence Against Women. Gwen Crider is a Diversity Expert. For more information, go to the website for NewPoint Strategies.

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